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So why am I writing this? Well, I'd like to hear from anyone else that has scaled the learning curve of heel-toeing - specifically those of you that have done it on a G25. I guess I am also writing as a diary of my progress. Well, tonight will be my third race using my new G25, and so far I have to say it has been a mixed bag. Driving with the wheel has been far more involving and immersive - to the point that I actually feel warm, almost but not quite sweaty, after a race. That is something that never happened when running with my old Logitech Momo. That said, I haven't been faster. Quite the contrary. Outside of starts, which is when the manual clutch really shines, I've been slower. At least that is my feeling, since the first two races were with car/track combo's that I hadn't raced before. The next two races will tell a different tale. Tonight is the nGTx at Donnington. A combo I haven't raced at R2P, but one on which I have experience. Tomorrow is the GT Open in a BMW M3. That is a combo I have raced many times even here at R2P, so it will be an excellent benchmark. To this point I have been struggling in getting consistent downshifts, and the Porsche I will be driving tonight is so far the most difficult car to master. The weight shift forward when one executes a particularly poor downshift causes the car to spin every time. This is accentuated at the chicane and hairpins at Donnington. Driving with manual clutch highlights how hard the car aus Stuttgart is to drive. I'll try to update this post with my thoughts after the race - particularly related to the difficulty of heel-toeing. See you on the track. See below for updates on the Donnington nGTx race from Feb 15. |
i dont use H pattern shifting unless the car has it in real life.. im pretty sure GTR2 Gt cars are sequential in real life | ||
I'm with Shane on this, i will only use H pattern shifter if the car in real life has it. I would expect most if not all the cars in GTR2 would have sequential shifters in real life. ------------------------- Going on to learning how to master it is hard, i started by watching some V8 Supercar vids on youtube. They can be pretty useful. I got taught how to do it professionally after talking to a few experienced race drivers that ive had contact with through my job, T&H in certain cars can be very useful but doesn't really make you any faster imo. | ||
Sequential, you are correct, but I believe it is still not an automatic clutch in the Porsche RSR. Manual clutch means heel toe (is it heel toe, heel-toe, or heel/toe - what does the style book say on this?). Anyways, I'm pretty sure from my youtube research that while a car may be sequential that doesn't mean it is an automated clutch. | ||
Sequential, you are correct, but I believe it is still not an automatic clutch in the Porsche RSR. Manual clutch means heel toe (is it heel toe, heel-toe, or heel/toe - what does the style book say on this?). Anyways, I'm pretty sure from my youtube research that while a car may be sequential that doesn't mean it is an automated clutch. | ||
So I went out and altered my setup in my pre-dinner practice and the car behaved a bit better. I was able to get down consistently into the 31's in race trim. It is still far to easy to spin the car around, especially as the tires wear, which may mean I have to change tires mid-race. Normally I wouldn't for this race, but an extra 20-25 seconds in the pits might be better for my final classification than spinning three or four times towards the end of the race. We'll see. | ||
i heel toe in real life, so much easier in a real car, cause you can feel the motor | ||
Agreed. What little I have played around with heel-toeing in a real car was easier. I'm also not a fan of where the G25 brake pedal reaches its full travel. It is too far below the gas. I find myself struggling to roll the side of my foot back to the gas, or I find I am partially pushing in the gas pedal between downshifts. If I can find the right sized screws, I might add a spacer to get the brake to end up even with the gas pedal when the brake is fully engaged. | ||
Well, um, that was interesting. Managed to get pole. And then it went to hell. Put the car in reverse on the grid. Idiot! Drilled Kent Welker on the start (but he still managed to get second). Proceeded to cause a multi-car accident. Was unable to follow anyone deep into a turn without missing a down-shift. Did I mention I had fastest race lap as well? But still finished 10th. Yuck. I look at the list above and wonder if I should be challenging myself while racing with other actual humans. | ||
Just an observation from watching the Aussie V8's. It seems like side-of-the foot and toe would be a more accurate description. In the old days, the technique was definitely heel and toe, with the heel moved over the gas pedal (pushing down to blip the throttle) and the toes on the brake. The methode I see being used today does not put the heel over the pedal. Instead, the foot is rotated over just far enough so the side of the foot is against the throttle using a swinging motion of the entire leg to blip the throttle. The advantage there is less modulation of the brake pedal while blipping the throttle (impossible to do with most sim pedal systems unless it uses some sort of pressure/resistance mechanism or you have the pedal to the stop). | ||
Agreed on the technique. That is what I would like to do, but the G25 brake just is too far below the gas when it is at or near full application. It just makes it quite difficult to keep the break properly modulated and blip the throttle properly and consistently. I will say that it seems to be quite quick when I get it right, it is just that getting it right requires me to catch lightening in a bottle at the moment. |