Thanks M. Lilley.! I had fun with the back markers, as it was pretty competetive for me, dicing it up with those guys. I hardly ever race in GTR2 so teh physics are a bit strange for me, and I was coming into my own as teh race went on. I had at least an 8th or 7th place finish in me, but the kitty litter bit me a few times, as well as a few taps in teh rear. I always feel at home at monza, and was gaing sometimes half a second in teh first chicane, but then losing it in the last one. I just couldnt get the exit speed that everyone else was going down teh back straight. Absolutely beautifull track side objects though, and I learned a little too late that the curbs in this version are not near as disruptive at other versions I tend to frequent. What I get for not practicing. :)