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Spring stiffness and ride heigh
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Posted by Dmitry Tsarev at 06:14 AM on Feb 18, 2008
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Does increasing spring stiffness increase ride height? Or stiffer springs are shorter than the softer ones so the ride height stays the same?

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Posted by Enis Dauti at 07:57 AM on Feb 18, 2008
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Stationary ride hight is almost identical. However, stiffer springs would logically have shorter travel to be fully compressed.

Posted by Jon Weal at 08:37 AM on Feb 18, 2008
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I believe a good rule of thumb is to consider raising the ride-height when using a softer spring setup. Easier to bottom out on softer springs.

Posted by Dmitry Tsarev at 08:44 AM on Feb 18, 2008
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Enis, thanks for the stationary ride height info - that's what I was looking for. But why stiffer springs would have shorter travel?

Jon, yes, that's true, but I believe you should always check things on track, because sometimes you don't have to increase ride height even with softer springs.

Posted by Jon Weal at 08:45 AM on Feb 18, 2008
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For sure yes Dmitry. It was just an example.

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Posted by Enis Dauti at 09:10 AM on Feb 18, 2008
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Dmitry, I was referring to springs of same length. Stiffer spring of same length would have shorter mechanical travel.

Posted by Dmitry Tsarev at 09:34 AM on Feb 18, 2008
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Seems I don't know something about springs, but I don't understand why stiffer springs have shorter travel :/
I thought they have same travel, they're just harder to compress. No?

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Posted by Enis Dauti at 09:41 AM on Feb 18, 2008
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Usually that means that diameter of wire that spring is made of is thicker, hence shorter travel over same length.

Posted by Jonty Couples at 10:12 AM on Feb 18, 2008
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If you're referring to sims where spring length stays constant, my understanding is that stiffer springs means the static weight of the car won't compress them as much, leading to greater ride height. Less static compression means greater remaining compression travel, but of course less remaining droop travel.

MoTeC shows the advanced rtrainer's static ride height increases by about 25mm just from changing springs from their softest to their stiffest.

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Posted by Dennis Cummings at 07:14 PM on Feb 18, 2008
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I would say ride height dosent change due to the fact that
you have that adjustment independent of spring rate.
If you change your spring rate on here, and don't touch
your ride height adjustment, it will stay the same.
Thats a static ride height....Not moving
When out on the track, with equal forces (relative to a
lower rate spring, before you changed them) the dynamic
ride height will be higher if the forces are equal.
If you were bottoming with a soft spring, change to a
higer rate spring without touching ride height, you may
not bottom as much.
Remember all the adjustments being made are adjustments
in a "static" condition.

Ever hear of Bump Steer?
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