I just wanted to know why R2p set the rules that a backmarker being lapped have the right to the racing line infront of the faster car, and the faster car is to make sure he passes cleanly when he does. weather it be on the dirty or clean racing line. The Lapper should be given the right of way on a blue flag and lappee should be getting off the line full stop! most do a good job letting the faster by on the straights, some flash to confirm they are lifting (which i think is 100% needed) others just make it hell to get passed, and sometimes have a direct impact on final race result. I also think that the faster car should be entitled to remind the slower driver with a light flash of his obligation to get out the way if it is taking too long to get passed. I think its about time the mentality around blue flags are set to immitate REAL life racing, because this is what we are trying to replicate .. are we not? Blue flags should be recognised again as the indicator to lift immediately and off the racing line.. I hope i am supported. |
Blue flags should be recognised again as the indicator to lift immediately and off the racing line.. Lifting immediately and veering off of your normal line is exactly what causes incidents and the reason why R2P rules are the way they are. I know first hand that it can be frustrating when a backmarker feels he is fast enough to not have to let you past, but the alternative could prove even more tedious. I think we just need to drive home the idea that even if you think you're at about the same pace as the lead lap car in your mirrors, you should feel obligated to allow him past during a straight by easing off the throttle to let him past. It will cost you a bit of a blemish to your lap time, but it's more fair to people who are fighting for higher positions and if you keep holding them off, you're only slowing you both down. |
That's exactly the problem here, too many people just pull over, both causing an incident, and at the same time someone is just pulling out of someone faster's way instead of keeping them honest and making them work for it. Pulling over for the fastest guy is going to give him the victory every time. Let him find his own way around without fking up, now that's true driving skill. Not to mention, if I'm closing on the guy in front of me, there's no law that says I have to concede to a lapping car and lose position on a competitor. The mentality of moving out of the way of the faster car is not realistic. There's no reason the faster car can't wait until a safe moment to get by. |
I also look at it that if I let this lead lap driver past me at the soonest and easiest place (letting off the gas on a straight to let him by is probably the best way to do it because he's going to go flat out around you and you're going to be nearly the same speed you would have been otherwise at the end of the straight by catching a draft as he gets ahead of you. Now that lead driver is going to give you someone to follow through to the next guy who you are trying to catch. The guy you are tracking down is about to suffer the same slight inconvenience you just did, so it events out. But it gets better, too...I have allowed a car past me before and managed to keep pretty much on his heels (making use of the draft on the fast sections) only to still be right on his ass when he caught the guy I was trying to reel in. So when the lead lap driver laps the guy you've been chasing, it opens up a hole for you to try and hit as well. If he anticipates it and scoots in behind the other car, you be ready for that and launch around the other side of him. He can only change lanes once or it's blocking. All said and done, you and the guy ahead of you both lose the same time helping a lead car go by and if nothing else, drivers do recognize when someone cleanly allows a lap pass to happen and people who are assisted in such a way will probably pass the same courtesy forward when they're in the backmarking position. |
The main reason we do not enforce blue flags is for safety and predictability. I promise you Heinz, the last thing you really want is that guy in front of you altering his line to try to assist you. Remember, all he has is a mirror to see what is going on behind, you have your entire windscreen. Who can make the better judgment call between the two? Now, surely once the leader initiates the pass the lapped vehicle should not fight the position. I know in some professional motor sports blue flags are enforced. It is actually a minority of motorsports that forces the slower car to give way and they are usually only the top series (F1, etc) where their drivers sit down before each race in a meeting and agree how to best handle those blue flag situations. We do not get to have a few hour long meeting to discuss these things, nor are we professionals, nor do we have spotters. So, we take the safest route which is, "stay predictable" and do not alter your line. That way the faster, usually more experienced driver, can make the judgment call on when and how to pass. |
I remember being held up in S2 driving an LMP behind an nGT car for at least 2 laps at Watkins Glenn. Things happened where I couldn't savely pass, mainly becuase he wouldnt move off the line. When that car unexpectedly gave enough room on the outside of the outer loop, we got togeher knocking me out of the 3rd and it ended my day. So I know exactly how it feels. You have to be prepared and in position to get by on a section of the track with the most room. Anywhere else on the track is not a good idea, no matter how much faster you are. |
Justin sums up my thoughts on this issue pretty well. Some tracks are really difficult to pass on, a little assistance here and there can be benificial to both parties, and like Justin says, I remember the guys that are helpful and those who aren't and It can make a difference in how I approach the situation when/if roles are ever reversed. |
I've been in a couple races where im faster than the lead lapped car in front of me. In fact, there has been a couple of those times where I've almost run into the back of the lead car in front of me because he is considerably and unpredictable slower.
Suggestions? |
Pass him, you have your own race to deal with. If he is going slower, just give him a blink of your lights to let him know you want past or to speed up |
Doesn't GTR2 penalize you if you run with a blue flag for too long though tim? |
