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Posted by Tim McArthur at 04:26 PM on May 19, 2008
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Because this is such a different form of motor racing then our average road or oval racing, I expect there to be some questions. Please post your questions here so they can be referenced by future participants.

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Posted by Tim McArthur at 04:35 PM on May 19, 2008
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Participation questions

Q - Is there a cheat code for unlocking all tracks and cars?
A - create a profile named: MULLIGATAWNY

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Posted by Tim McArthur at 04:37 PM on May 19, 2008
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Scoring related questions

Q - Why does the results only show 2 stages completed when I completed more then 2?
A - Rally scoring is run in sequential order. To be scored for stage #2, you must complete stage #1. While we do not require you do complete them in order, you must complete all stages to be scored on all of them. The first one you miss, will be the final stage scored. You could participate in stages 2-6, but if you never complete stage #1, you will not be scored for the next stages in numeric order.

Q - I wrecked out of a stage, am I considered a "DNF"?
A - No, you are given a default time (not yet determined) and scored as finishing the stage with that default time. The default time is high enough to discourage non-completion of any stages yet will allow continuation of your rally if you wish. You are encouraged to continue all other stages in the rally even if you fail to complete a stage or two.

Q - How did I "DNF"?
A - At this time, the only possible way to score a DNF in our rally races is failing to score a time (default time or completion time) in all 6 stages associated with each rally.

Q - Are the track records going to be counted by the whole rally or by stage?
A - Entire stage at this time.

Q - How will season points be done?
A - Not determined just yet. Our first group of events will be run as exhibition fun-runs so we can work out all the details.

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Posted by David Fridley at 07:05 PM on May 19, 2008
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I scored a DNF in the Great Britain Rally even though I completed all the events before the cut off? I started with the Stage 3 and then completed 4, 5, 6, 1, and 2 sequentially. What gives? Its so incorrect its not even showing me having completed a single stage.

Edit by TM - David, I see that you only completed stages 3-6, not stage 1 and 2. But, these are the little details we want to work out before points-paying events so I will keep an eye on it.

Posted by John Onofrey at 07:43 PM on May 19, 2008
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David, Thou shalt not start with three. One shall be the number thou shalt start the count. Thou shalt then proceed to two, three, four, five, and then six. Eight is right out.

"Tim: That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on! "

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Posted by David Fridley at 08:28 PM on May 19, 2008
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Hah! Nice Monty Python reference. But, it order doesn't matter if I completed them all.

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Posted by Tim McArthur at 08:31 PM on May 19, 2008
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That is true David, but I do not see that you had complete stages 1 and 2 at all. That is why you show as a DNF. Could have just been an error on our end not getting those stages imported in. Something I will be watching more closely in our next rally.

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Posted by David Fridley at 08:43 PM on May 19, 2008
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Ok, no big deal then Tim. I didn't realize that the event was just an exhibition until now so that makes me feel a lot better. Hated to take a 36th and a DNF first event. Bugs me though, I'm still curious of where I would have finished, as I was hoping for a possible top 20.

Either way, I'll pay more attention next time and get the rally's done earlier to hopefully prevent this.

Posted by Jonty Couples at 09:40 PM on May 19, 2008
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Some thoughts on the default time to be determined:

AFAIK, WRC default time is 5 minutes on top of fastest stage time, regardless of stage length which is 15 minutes or so. Translating that to RBR where average stage length is 3-4 minutes would suggest a penalty of just over a minute.

But there's bigger variation in the times of sim drivers, so that time wouldn't be big enough to highly discourage non-completion.

Looking at the longest stage in USA , Prospect Ridge II, fastest time was 4:19, slowest (completed) time was 5:47.

1 min 28 difference.

Is 2 minutes penalty enough? Maybe 50% of the fastest time?

Something more severe, but too severe and you'll only be competing against other drivers who also received penalty times. Or is this the way it should be?

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Posted by Tim McArthur at 10:26 PM on May 19, 2008
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K.I.S.S =
1) Flat time of X minutes. Currently I have this set at 10 min (too high).
2) or, 1-2 minutes on top of to the slowest runner's time.

I am not concerned about following WRC standards with our timing or points.