Ok im having the worst time adapting to a track that does not have those brakeing markers on the track surface. I never realized how much i depended on those.

I cant adjust my brakeing zones, im having trouble also finding speed. im running the same times in quali and race trim, im just at a loss every corner entry, did i brake to early did i brake to late.. gave me a headache eventually

Thanks for any help

Shane, Without the tyre marks on the road indicating the start of the normal braking zone, you need to pick trackside markers, a lightpost on a fence, a marshall, a small darker shade of grass next to the track.. even counting down from a marker a little further away from the braking zone if you have no proper aid in the brake zone...

Hope this helps give you some ideas

It's a REAL bugger dealing with those tracks. Personally, I'd say that if a track doesn't have any visible line on the surface, it's not good enough quality to be used in competition. Any real life track will have those grooves after even a small amount of racing on them.

This issue came up with GTR2 @ Buenos Aires in GTPC last season. It was a pain in the ass. That track didn't even really have the trackside markers which Heinz suggested you use (which is all you have to go by otherwise). It was just lots of grass and track. I think the only way you're going to get really consistent and fast is to do twice as many practice laps (or more) as what you normally do. Eventually you'll start timing your braking by the speed your hitting or the RPMs. If you keep the same setup, then you know that a certain RPM in a certain gear is the point where you have to jam the brakes for corner X. That and counting time is about all there is.

In those situations where there are no useful braking marks, I have to rely on the sound of my engine rpm together with my shift points. Not as accurate as markers, but at least you have something to keep the brake points somewhat consistent.

Dan

I also guess alot with braking if i cant see any markers .. ill do a few runs into the corner just figuring out a guestimated distance, and keep trying to aim at that exact distance from the corner everytime ...

Yea My f1 league i race with is using some cheap off the wall Silverstone track, it has the racing grove but it goes around the whole track not just in the turns.

But yea.. i have been using random landmarks, not near as effecient for me.. but its all i got. and doing what Heinz does, Guess.. thats mainly what im doing, but now im trying to refine my aproach a bit. so im looking for markers

why my league is using this track beats me. when ISI allready has this track stock with RF....

Keep in mind that the tire skid marks are only good brake markers when you have visibility a good 10 car lengths ahead of you...if you are following behind a car then you need to use another brake marker cause the car ahead of you will block those tire skid marks. Other ways to get a marker is to line up a pole or advertising billboard with the edge of your screen, or even place a piece of masking tape on the top of your monitor to have something to line up the billboard or fence post.

And, never ever rely on distance markers that can be taken out by a car...cause they inevitably will.

I try to not use on track braking markers as much as possible, because there is never any guarantee that those markers are going to be applicable to your car, so I'd rather use trackside markers. Also in real life you dont get the track surface darkening in the braking zones.
Another easy mistake to make is to use shadows, but since dynamic lighting has been used in sims, shadows move, so avoid using them.

Another problem with brake markers is sometimes cars hit them. I wish the sims didn't have the track darkening at the brake zones. This way, I would be forced to use other trackside markers for braking like it's done on real tracks. Like the tree on the left at the end of no-name straight at Lime Rock. I was surprised to see no leaves on it this year. I hope it doesn't die. That is a brake marker for many drivers.

Probably wont be any more Mike. If nothing else the new surface should change the grip through there, and thats assuming the geometry of the "classic" layout stays the same.